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Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 12:13:51 PM  Conspire '09-Re: B52 The Grade 4/5 Experiment: What We've Learned by JillNelsonSomething we wanted to do at the end of the session at Conspire, but ran out of time for, was to have everyone think of one thing (big or small) that they can go home and do differently for fourth and fifth graders in their ministry.
What one thing could you, or will you, do differently? Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:30:48 AM  Childrens Ministry Books-Re: Best Books by Laurensurp I believe Sue Miller/David Staal's book, "Making Children's Ministry the Best Hour of Every Kids' Week" is the best read by far. I use it, recommend it and quote it all the time. Of the plethora of books on my shelf, this is my most used in this area.
Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 1:57:27 PM  Conspire '09-Re: Conspire '09 by DexterStationI'm looking forward to just getting there!
Do you know how I can contact others in Michigan (Ann Arbor) or Ohio (Toledo) area to see if we can carppool? Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 4:02:40 PM  Childrens Ministry Books-Best Books by pricelWhat is one book you would recommend for any Childrens Ministry Leader? Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 9:46:59 AM  Music-Kind-Grade 5 Music by pricelPlease share questions and comments regarding the Kind-Grade 5 Music available from conspirechildrensministry.com. Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 9:40:08 AM  Curriculum-FX by pricelPlease share questions and comments regarding the FX DVD series. Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 3:46:36 PM  Large Group Programming-metamorphosis set photos by jbyerlyWe are doing Metamorphosis for our 3 day summer family production. Does anyone have any photos from the Promiseland Metamorphosis conference that we can reference for set design? The tips on the curriculum CD are helpful but we have a big stage to fill. Sunday, November 09, 2008 - 4:03:52 PM  Operations-volunteer rotation by livnfrogFirst of all, THANK YOU for your thoughts! I am SO excited about this forum! I pray that God will just continue to lead and guide all of us!
At our church, we have a sunday school hour and then a worship hour (like your traditional church service...) The preschool classes have a sunday school teacher who teaches every week. During the worship hour, ALL of the parents are rotated through. So, the kids practically have a different teacher every week for the worship hour. Our one and two year old classes are really struggling because there is NO stability in the worship hour. They are meeting a "new" person each week. However, I don't want to ask anyone to serve every week or even every other week and miss church that much. Do you have any ideas??? The parents are exhausted. I am praying for a better solution! Thanks for your input and ideas!
God bless! Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 12:55:13 PM  Conspire '09-Conspire '09 by pricelHave a question? Ask it here.
What are you looking forward to?
How can we best serve you and your team?
Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 11:47:26 AM  Operations-creative displays by all about preschool Help! We have a new church building and need creative alternatives to just taping preschool items on the classrooms walls. We have preschool Sunday school and also Sunday and Wednesday evening programming as well as a full weekday preschool education program (Child Development Center) that all share the same space. The weekday program of course needs to display educational items, circle time items like calendar, weather, birthdays, etc. We are looking for another creative way to display these items in an attractive, functional creative way without using tape. We do have bulletin boards and gripper strips, but preschool teachers always want to display more items on the walls to make the room visually inviting. Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 3:16:24 PM  Leadership-Re: Best Leadership Books by ChipperOur staff really appreciated going through "Next Generation Leader" by Andy Stanley.
Very practical and to the point.
Also, might I suggest reading anything by Patrick Lencioni. A good one to start with is "5 Dysfunctions of a Team".
-Chipper Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:18:00 AM  Leading Adults-Re: Volunteer Recruitment by mistyd65Anytime we have a children's event (Bible Quiz, VBS, field trips, etc.)we usally designs from www.newlifeshopper.com's clearance area which means they have limited availablilty and you only have to order 12 to get your church's name printed on them for free. People see the shirts and want to know how they can get one . They are told about volunteering with the children's ministries and getting the neat shirts for free. Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 12:34:32 AM  Curriculum-Re: VBS by ColeWe have a week long morning VBS. This year our church is using Gospel Light's SonWorld Adventure Park. We are really excited. Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 5:07:57 PM  2008 Childrens Ministry Conference-Re: Session 4 -- Crayons & Megaphones -- Glen Keane, Rick Dempsey, and Aaron Reynolds by pkirklandOur team LOVED this session and were disappointed to not be able to obtain a cd or dvd of the session. I'm sure there are copywrite issues galore that prevent it. Am I right? Friday, May 09, 2008 - 11:24:28 PM  Curriculum-Re: VBS by JillNelsonWe're in our third year of creating our own VBS. This year our title is "Follow the Golden Road". The preschool kids will be on a journey down the golden road to the castle. The older kids will be more Wizard of Oz like on a journey to meet the Wizard of All. On their journey, they'll be learning all about the Bible--that it's the place to go wisdom, to know what love is, for direction, courage, and finally that the Bible is God's story and they can be a part of it too! Friday, May 09, 2008 - 11:22:03 PM  Operations-Re: Electronic Check-In by JillNelsonWe're in the process of switching to Connection Power. While it's not perfect, there are a lot of great elements that will serve our church as a whole (which is great because we've all been using seperate systems since the main one didn't work well for individual ministries). The Power Visitor element is working SO WELL! Friday, May 09, 2008 - 11:15:01 PM  Large Group Programming-Re: Creative Communicator Discovery by JillNelsonWe have an amazing large group teacher who tried just about everything--nursery, preschoolers, small group leader... wherever her children were--before becoming a large group teacher. Each place wasn't the right fit for her, and then she started teaching large group in our elementary department. And it has been great! I think one of her best credintials is that she was a cheerleader in highschool--so she knows how to be enthusiastic in front of a crowd! Monday, May 05, 2008 - 8:20:45 AM  Family-Re: Faithful families and REVEAL by Kim Vine
That's a really interesting idea! I'd love to hear more about it--does your church have a website or anything I could look at?
Thanks for sharing this :o)
Kim Friday, May 02, 2008 - 11:09:56 PM  Curriculum-Re: VBS by Debi LuskWe use Group's VBS. Our program is in the mornings, usually the first week of August. Friday, May 02, 2008 - 11:08:13 PM  Conferences-Re: Conferences by Debi LuskI just attended the Conspire Conference and plan on attending the CPC conference in Nashville next January. Nothing else before then. Friday, May 02, 2008 - 11:03:46 PM  Leadership-Re: Best Leadership Books by Debi LuskOur senior staff have been going through the book/DVD series, The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell. Friday, May 02, 2008 - 4:41:27 PM  Family-Re: Faithful families and REVEAL by Jami KellerYour insight is right on. We have been moving the direction of integrated small groups. This has to be a fully integrated program with leader training and accountability, and usually works best in homes during the week. This is a multigenerational group where a portion of the time is devoted to singing and praying with the children. This allows discussion and training for parents. It is very difficult to do this type of thing at a church service because parents are just not aware that getting their spiritual needs met and sharing there Christian walk with their children can be critical.
Jami Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 6:29:54 AM  Leadership-Re: Best Leadership Books by BeckyDarkside of Leadership and Critical Journey Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 4:18:11 PM  Operations-Re: Electronic Check-In by DoubleJWe use Arena Check-In (www.arenachms.com) and we are very impressed with it. We upgraded to Arena from Shelby about a year ago, and are excited about Arena's interface and ease of use by our staff. Monday, April 28, 2008 - 11:48:23 PM  Conferences-Re: Conferences by henryjzI just attended the Conspire Conference, and I was at C3 Kids' Conference at Fellowship in February. I'm not planning on any others this year. Monday, April 28, 2008 - 11:46:15 PM  Curriculum-Re: VBS by henryjzWe do a day camp format with the morning using Group's VBS curriculum adapted for our situation and then field trips during the afternoon. Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 10:46:06 PM  Operations-Re: Electronic Check-In by henryjzWe use Lambs List. Although I'm not a fan of the name, it is a great check in program. It does just what I need it to do, and it is all online! Plus the tech people over there are great to work with. Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 12:52:37 AM  2008 Childrens Ministry Conference-Re: Session 4 -- Crayons & Megaphones -- Glen Keane, Rick Dempsey, and Aaron Reynolds by henryjz Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 9:07:47 PM  Operations-Re: Electronic Check-In by jgilesWe use Connection Power, which is a web-based program. It has several components that you can purchase separately, and has a great care ministry section that allows you to communicate with other departments in notes and it notifies you if you there are needs. It provides a list of kids who have missed 1, 2, or 3 times so that they can be contacted before you have lost a family. The program price varies by your church size.We love that Connection Power's staff listens to our needs and works to improve the product and release new features monthly. The reports have been tough to maneuver, but we're learning to call their staff if we can't pull up what we need. We made the move to Connection Power from Shelby and some of our staff wishes that the servant module from Shelby was in CP, but other than that, we're very happy with it.
Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 11:13:28 AM  Conferences-Conferences by pricelWhat conferences do you plan to attend in the next 6 months? Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 11:11:44 AM  Family-Innovations Alliance by pricelThe Strong Families Innovation Alliance, led by Kurt Bruner and Dr. John Trent, is a coalition of leading churches committed to an open architecture methodology for discovering, implementing and sharing cutting edge family ministry programs targeting three areas of concern.
- Strengthening Relationships: Children need to experience a loving relationship between mom and dad that reflects the gospel and between parent and child that makes kids want to embrace their parents' beliefs.
- Winning Our Kids: The overwhelming majority of those who ever become Christians do so as children, most before age thirteen. Most parents recognize it is there job to pass faith to their kids in the context of the home, yet feel ill-equipped to do so.
- Keeping Our Youth: An alarmingly high percentage of teens raised in Christian families abandon their parents’ faith during the teen and young adult years. And while this is trend has created tension between parents and youth ministers, partnership between church and home is vital to keeping our youth.
Share your thoughts .... Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 11:02:53 AM  Curriculum-VBS by pricelWhat are your VBS plans for this summer? Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 11:01:53 AM  Operations-Electronic Check-In by pricelWhat electronic check-in system does your church use? Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 10:27:37 AM  Leading Adults-Volunteer Recruitment by pricelShare your best ideas for recruiting volunteers. Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 10:26:44 AM  Large Group Programming-Creative Communicator Discovery by pricelIf you have a great large group Creative Communicator in your ministry, describe what they were doing before joining your team. Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 10:22:58 AM  Leading Kids-Top Small Group Challenges by pricelWhat are the top challenges faced by the Childrens Small Group Leaders in your ministry? Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 10:19:51 AM  2008 Childrens Ministry Conference-Session 4 -- Crayons & Megaphones -- Glen Keane, Rick Dempsey, and Aaron Reynolds by pricelCreative story telling is one of the most important tools God has given you for bringing His message alive for your kids. Learn how to capture the imagination of this changing generation by telling the most important stories of all with new joy and creativity.
Please share your thoughts and feedback. Monday, April 21, 2008 - 6:23:18 PM  Leadership-Best Leadership Books by pricelWhat is the best book about Leadership that you've read within the last year?
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Monday, March 23, 2009 Session 5 -- Conspiring
Conspiring with Johnny Rogers and Tammy Melchien
Conspire Blogger: Matt Guevara
http://corycenter.org
http://twitter.com/mattguevara
Amy Dolan introduced Conspire’s final session with Johnny Rogers and Tammy Melchien as a gift for those in attendance. For seventy-five minutes, Johnny and Tammy would address personal faith and its affect on ministry.
Johnny Rogers started with the moving story of Charles Houston and his journey to conquer K2.
This journey of survival required more than just skill, character, and unrelenting commitment to each other. With the summit in sight one of the men suffered a blood clot, the climb was over. The months of effort and the weeks of effort were gone. In an instant, everything had changed but the choice was clear: no one would be left behind. The journey back down to base camp was brutal. Pete Schoening, the youngest member of the crew, had to hold the weight of six men at one point for five whole minutes. The rope stretched, muscles grew tired, but the anchor held.
Many times children’s and family ministry leaders have to bear the weight of the ministry they lead. There is great tension because we really do not know how the lives of the kids in our context will turn out. Paul encourages us, “Follow me as I follow Christ.” In other words, “Clip on to my rope, the anchor will hold.”
Tammy Melchien continued the talk with encouragement for climbing ministry mountains. We know the mountains. So many times on Sunday morning, moments before service is about to begin, the cell phone rings and we know it’s not a person calling to volunteer. Other times ministry can be tiring. How do we keep climbing? What enables us to go further up the mountain?
The most important ministry factor is your personal connection to God. This connection is vital because it is what your kids, volunteers, and parents need most from you and it is far more important than your budget, knowledge, ability, or creativity and without it you and the ministry you lead will never reach your full potential. In John 15:5 Jesus said, “I am the vine you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit.”
There is a reality in ministry that it will always be difficult. Volunteers will always be in high demand. The sound system will always crash right before large group. Three year olds will always have a hard time sitting still. Ministry will not get easy. But what can draw us into God in such a way that the burden can become light and easy as Jesus promises in Matthew 11?
Spiritual disciplines are the key to connecting with God.
Reading , experiencing nature, fasting, prayer, worship, service – these are the disciplines that we need to develop to the point where if we miss a day, we feel like we have missed God. Self-care is a critical part of our spiritual journey. We need to make time for relationships that let us breathe.
The journey of ministry is one that will require every one of us to stay connected to God in such a way that our hearts are close to Him and our energy is pursuing His majesty and our mind is fixed on His glory.
Who is “clipped in” to your line? How can you encourage kids to clip in to your line and follow you as you follow Christ?
What does your connection to God look like right now?
Are you taking care of yourself?
Do you have spaces where you can enjoy life?
What are the key connectors between you and God?
How will you ask these kinds of questions to your staff and volunteers, to insure that they are pursuing a deep connectedness with God?
Resources Mentioned:
Charles Houston and Robert Bates – K2, The Savage Mountain
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| Friday, March 20, 2009 Session 5
Your Faith and How It Effects Your Ministry
Johnny Rogers
Tammy Melchien
Worship
Jesus Paid It All Oh Praise The One
How Great Is Our God
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| Friday, March 20, 2009 Connecting The Church and Home
Henry Zonio
http://www.elementalcm.com
Churches are becoming more aware that the family is where children's faith is influenced the most. For the fourth general session at Cosnpire 2009, Mark Holmen and David Teixeira from Missionary Church in Ventura, CA shared their passion for helping families build faith in their children.
Mark Holmen is the author of Faith Begins At Home and Building Faith At Home as well as serving as the senior pastor of Missionary Church since 2002. Dave Teixeira has been ministering to families through the local church for over eleven years and is currently serving at the Children, Youth & Family Pastor at Missionary Church.
Mark began the session by sharing his experience of growing up in the camping ministry. He saw churches come and get fired up. Then, when he and his family would visit these churches throughout the year, he'd notice that they lost their passion. When he entered ministry, he thought the best way to keep that passion was to make church like camping ministry and take the responsibility of the spiritual development of kids. He had a wake-up call when he was part of a survey of what were the greatest faith influences in the life of kids. The survey results came back to show that mom and dad were THE greatest influences in the faith development of children.
Mark went on to describe two approaches to ministry: a church with segmented departments that oversee different age groups and are "silo-ed" and a church where the different silos each work towards common goals together. Mark advocated the second approach when it come to helping families be the primary faith influence in their children. Each department needs to be focused on how they are helping parents take faith home.
Mark compared this to the small groups movement. Churches with successful small group ministries went from being a church WITH small groups to being a church OF small groups. Churches that will be successful at helping families, Mark says, need to become churches that are "Faith @ Home" churches.
What does this look like?
In the nursery ministry, child dedication becomes more than just a church event. It becomes the beginning of a partnership with parents and church. Dedication becomes a commitment between parents and the church community to raise their children to know Christ and the church community with parents to support them. Families at Mark's church are given a chest of resources to help them as they begin their faith journey as a family.
For what this looks like in children's ministry, Dave Teixeira came up to share. Each year, their children's ministry helps families incoroporate ONE faith practice like prayer or blessing or worship or service. They do it by doing what they call "Take It Home" events. These events happen once a year during Sunday School where parents are required to attend with their children.
There are 4 components to these Take It Home events.
1. Motivate We need to remind parents of the impact they have on their children. We need to remind them that kids with faith are less likely to engage in risky behaviors and are more likely to be "successful" in life.
2. Model
We need to show families EXACTLY what we're asking them to do. There are many families that didn't do any of the things we are asking them to do like prayer and devotions and blessing... even those who did grow up in church.
3. Practice
Let families practice these things immediately after you teach them. The first time is always intimidating. By allowing parents to practice, it makes it easier for them to continue doing what we are asking them to do at home.
4. Provide
We need to provide take home resources for families that they can use at home. When we do that, we show that what we are teaching is important. It also shows parents that we have an expectation of them to continue doing these things with their families at home.
Mark concluded by addressing communicating this vision with senior pastors. He said that most senior pastors would love to see this happen but don't know what it looks like or how it would work.
Mark suggests that we show senior pastors that this approach doesn't just work with Faith @ Home. It also works with Evangelism, with becoming more rooted in church commitment and reaching out to the world around us. All departments can work towards a set of common goals... one of them being Faith @ Home.
Some of the resources that Mark and Dave have put together are Take It Home (CD resources of their take it home events), Building Faith at Home, and Faith Begins at Home.
As you think about partnering with parents, what are you doing right at your church? What are you doing that needs work?
What do you think of this approach to ministry? What do you think about a church becoming or being known as a Faith @ Home church?
How is your church set up? Is it as separate silos? Do your silos work together? What are some things you can do to work together towards the same goals?
How do you connect with parents in a way that encourages them? How do you connect with your senior pastor to inspire the entire church to help guild families?
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| Friday, March 20, 2009 Session 4
Brandon Grissom and Band
Dancing Generation Brighter Hosanna
"Behind Closed Doors"
Connecting the Church and Home
Mark Holmen
Dave Teixeira
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| Thursday, March 19, 2009 Rewiring Ministry for the Digital Learner
Henry Zonio
http://www.elementalcm.com
For Breakout Session A, I attended Matt Guevara's workshop entitled "Rewiring Ministry for the Digital Learner." In addition to being one of the guest bloggers for the Conspire 2009 blog, Matt has served on the KidsWorld staff at Christ Community Church in St. Charles, Illinois since 2007 both as the Creative Arts Director and Grade School Group Life Director. Matt is also the lead contributor to the Cory Center Kid Tech Blog at http://corycenter.org.
Matt began the workshop session by telling a story of his calling to ministry. When he went to Bible College and looked at the course requirements for children's ministry, he was struck that there were two whole classes dedicated solely to puppetry; he realized there was a disconnect in what was being taught for those studying children's ministry and where kids were. He then shared about how he started to experiment with using different forms of media to engage kids. This included having kids take pictures and put together digital comics of Bible stories, having kids do videos, and even having kids figure out ways to help teach the lessons.
Matt shared seven characteristics of digital learners:
1. They are no longer littler versions of us
2. They are digital natives... not digital immigrants (these are terms coined by Marc Prensky at marcprensky.com)
3. They are collaborators. They want to be involved in shaping the teaching environment and how things are taught. We need to kids "be a part of the action."
4. They are teachers. Matt shared a story of how grade 7 and 8 kids taught him how to do all the lighting and sound tech at his current church when he started.
5. They are connected. We need to realize that kids have a multitude of ways to connect digitally.
6. They are relational. One thing we have to remember with this is that there is no distinction with kids between online and offline relationships; they are all the same to them.
7. They are open. Kids are open to learning new things and open to hearing from lots of different sources. This also means they are open to spiritual things.
Matt, then, went on to share some areas he believes need to be rewired or "in need of digital renewal:"
1. Curriculum
We need curriculum to speak to kids right now where they are and to the issues they are facing today. Curriculum needs to engage children at a level that calls them to action. We can give them all the information in the world and miss connecting with them. Sometimes that means "teaching less" in order to give kids real life applications to what they are learning.
2. Media Paradigm
We need to stop fighting about what is and what isn't right about using media. We need to "test drive" different media, see how it works, and use what works.
3. Relationships
We need to build relationships with kids and families that extend beyond the 1-2 hours in the church building.
Matt concluded the session with some strategies for large group areas, small group areas and interactions with families.
Large Group Strategies
1. Learn from video games
Video games provide immersive environments where you take part in the action. Also, the story unfolds as you play so there are elements of surprise. We need to incorporate some of that into large group teaching.
2. Use new resources
There are LOTS of resources out there, and we need to take advantage of them. Some of the resources mentioned were The Lads (music group), KidzMatter.com, Digital Juice (animated backgrounds), Pint Size Parables (online video), and Worship House (online).
Small Group Strategies
1. Prayer
At Matt's church, the win for small groups is if they can spend at least 3 minutes in prayer each week. Kids need to be encouraged to pray with and for each other. Prayer is creative and it promotes community strenght.
2. Relationships
We need to build real relationships that last outside the walls of the church.
3. Variation
Vary the activities of the small group. Vary the environment.
Home Strategies
1. Web Presence
Create a web presence where parents can go to to receive resources and encouragement.
2. Real Resources
No one has this one figured out. Find what works for the families at your church and use it. Also keep tweaking to find the right mix between the resources and the vehicle in which the resources are delivered.
3. Create Social Networks
Take advantage of social networking like Ning.com, Facebook, MySpace, Yahoo Groups, etc. so that parents can network with each other on their time and outside of the church walls.
As you think through the implications of Digital Learners or the Net Generation, here are some questions to interact with:
- What are you doing to make sure you understand Digital Learners?
- Are you overwhelmed with all the media and technology that is out there? What do you do with that?
- Do you agree with what Matt notes are things that need to be changed in how we interact with digital learners? Why or why not?
- What are you doing in your ministries to more effectively meet digital learners where they are?
- What is working for you? What have you tried that doesn't work for you?
If you seem to be doing OK in keeping up with digital learners and trends in how to reach them, what resources would you point people to who are at the beginning stages of trying to understand the Net Generation?
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| Thursday, March 19, 2009 Discovering Each Child's Strengths
Matt Guevara http://corycenter.org http://twitter.com/mattguevara
I happened to be hanging out in the green room just before the third session at Conspire when the room became filled with kids who were going to be involved in drama midway through the session. It was so awesome because I got to hear comments from 4th and 5th graders like, “I get front row seats to hear Sarah.” “Who’s Sarah?” “Hello, she’s a famous singer.” Needless to say, the concert was amazing and I’m convinced Sara could sing the phonebook and it would still sound magical.
The session took a turn to Jennifer Fox and a look at child strengths. The question was asked, “Do you see potential?” She started identifying her strengths one of which is self-love (not fashion or humor), which Jennifer sees as a part of a Scriptural command to love one another. Loving one another must begin with self-love. It’s crucial for a child to discover self-love. So at its heart, the strengths movement is a commandment.
Strengths are a paradox of perspective. Often strengths are overlooked as weaknesses. Fox outlined three different types of strengths: Activity Strengths: Things you do that give you energy. Relationship Strengths: Things you do for other people Learning Strengths: Optimal ways you learn
Jennifer evaluated the way education looks at learners. Often, educational institutions force one learning style on kids. If a child cannot learn the dominant way (passive listening and getting tested on comprehension) they are labeled.
So, do you see potential? What kind of educational paradigm defines your church and ministry? Are kids being marginalized because they do not learn the same way as the rest of the group? What would adopting a strengths philosophy look like in your context?
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| Wednesday, March 18, 2009 Session 3
Sara Groves
Add To The Beauty When It Was Over A Lot Like Me Bronson You Cannot Lose My Love
Song For My Love Why It Matters Kingdom
"The Power of a Paperclip"
Jenifer Fox
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Wow! I'll say it again... Wow! This was a great session. It was great to hear from these people from Disney who are serving Christ and injecting their faith in real ways in what they do. I kept thinking, "And these are the people that some of us were trying to boycott..." I'll never watch a movie the same again. It was cool seeing Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast from a different perspective. It was also cool to see some stuff from Prince Caspian :)
I didn't think that Aaron "connecting the dots" was unnecessary. I think we should've been left to connect the dots ourselves and in our conversations with each other. I don't mean to say that I didn't enjoy Aaron. I did. I just think we should've been allowed to connect the dots for ourselves instead of being told what we should be getting out of the session.